Another way to think about indicative vs. subjunctive usage with aunque

Doug B.C1KwizIQ community member

Another way to think about indicative vs. subjunctive usage with aunque

I read the lesson thoroughly, and Silvia’s answer below. I still struggled a bit with thinking about the mood of the sentence being determined by shared/non-shared knowledge or context in the case of a past event. For me, it has been a helpful trigger to think of aunque + indicative as directly translating to “even though”, but the situations that go to subjunctive something more like “while it may ”.  I think this fits with Silvia’s comment that the main point of the phrase is sort of what comes next, the background/shared information is an acknowledgement of context, not the primary statement. Think about our sample phrase: “Sí, pero aunque fuera un éxito, tuvimos que ceder demasiado por nuestra parte. “.  In my mind the approximate translation would be “Yes, while it may have been a success, we had to compromise too much on our side. And, “…might…” makes me think subjunctive. I hope this is accurate, and that it helps someone else.

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SilviaKwizIQ Native Spanish TeacherCorrect answer

Hola Doug B.

Yes, that can be a useful way of thinking about it, as long as you treat it as a memory aid rather than a direct translation rule.

In your example, aunque fuera un éxito doesn't necessarily cast doubt on whether it was actually a success. The subjunctive can present that information as something the speaker is conceding or putting into the background: essentially, “even granting that it was a success...”. The important point is then tuvimos que ceder demasiado.

So your “while it may have been...” interpretation captures that distancing/backgrounding effect nicely. Just bear in mind that English words such as may or might won't always correspond to the Spanish subjunctive.

Thanks for sharing your way of approaching it, it may well help other learners too!

Saludos

Silvia

Doug B. asked:

Another way to think about indicative vs. subjunctive usage with aunque

I read the lesson thoroughly, and Silvia’s answer below. I still struggled a bit with thinking about the mood of the sentence being determined by shared/non-shared knowledge or context in the case of a past event. For me, it has been a helpful trigger to think of aunque + indicative as directly translating to “even though”, but the situations that go to subjunctive something more like “while it may ”.  I think this fits with Silvia’s comment that the main point of the phrase is sort of what comes next, the background/shared information is an acknowledgement of context, not the primary statement. Think about our sample phrase: “Sí, pero aunque fuera un éxito, tuvimos que ceder demasiado por nuestra parte. “.  In my mind the approximate translation would be “Yes, while it may have been a success, we had to compromise too much on our side. And, “…might…” makes me think subjunctive. I hope this is accurate, and that it helps someone else.

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